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| Sent: | 09 January 2011 18:45:41 |
| To: | Vicky Pritchard (gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk) |
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"Do It" by Damien Hirst
 | Written and Directed by Damien Hirst. Curated by Hans Ulrich as part of Museum in Progress project/Vienna. 1995/96. Dur: 1' 36" 00:01:49 Added on 11/01/2008 19,663 views |  |
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Great links. Yep! That was for real!
Great links. Yep! That was for real!
I'll be back later to work on some style ideas for the piece. I must admit I really liked that bit from one of the links you sent, think it was the first one, that quick fired through Hirst's work - very similar feel to what I was thinking of. Anyhoo, will have something over to you later.
I'll probably get on with complying some bits for Tuesday
Laters.
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 16:46:51
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Right here are some more videos that ive found...
http://vimeo.com/5809865
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ZvChAUYLQ (is this for real lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyC94ZYZrr8&feature=related
xx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 14:55:54
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Oh yes! thats a brilliant song for it! The lyrics fit in with damiens view on life and stuff.
Lol i think im getting all confused with all these vids, im writing them all down in a list though (another form of documentation we can use)
Im getting excited too! I cant wait to see what the vid will look like, and yeah im glad were on the same wavelength, i guess its still adaptable at this stage though and any other ideas will be usefull.
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:41:19 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
I'll probably get on with complying some bits for Tuesday
Laters.
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 16:46:51
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Right here are some more videos that ive found...
http://vimeo.com/5809865
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ZvChAUYLQ (is this for real lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyC94ZYZrr8&feature=related
xx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 14:55:54
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Oh yes! thats a brilliant song for it! The lyrics fit in with damiens view on life and stuff.
Lol i think im getting all confused with all these vids, im writing them all down in a list though (another form of documentation we can use)
Im getting excited too! I cant wait to see what the vid will look like, and yeah im glad were on the same wavelength, i guess its still adaptable at this stage though and any other ideas will be usefull.
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:41:19 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
Already watched it, think I might of evening sent it over to you!?!
Will check in every now and then.
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 14:31:12
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R7QvpABzSo
check this one out x
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:23:24 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
Will check in every now and then.
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 14:31:12
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R7QvpABzSo
check this one out x
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:23:24 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWQGa-EBxzk
footage includes Hirst at his Gloucester studio with the new shark.
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 14:17:30
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
http://vimeo.com/3268384
just found this, got a few clips of hirst talking about his view on being an artist etc
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:43:16 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
footage includes Hirst at his Gloucester studio with the new shark.
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 14:17:30
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
http://vimeo.com/3268384
just found this, got a few clips of hirst talking about his view on being an artist etc
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:43:16 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
The following link is an extract from Banksy's documentary, I really like the pace of the clips – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPRRBKuve8U
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 13:33:54
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Ok cool let me know if you find that film on youtube :)
I just looked at the other one, i like the idea of like loads of his work being zoomd in on and stuff...maybe as an inro or at the end? dunno what would be best? maybe the end actually to finish it off?
And when u mean wd be narrating over his work and stuff. do you mean it would just be our voices and not us actually apearing on the screen? so itd be a voice clip rather than us apearing on screen?
xx
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:22:12 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 13:33:54
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Ok cool let me know if you find that film on youtube :)
I just looked at the other one, i like the idea of like loads of his work being zoomd in on and stuff...maybe as an inro or at the end? dunno what would be best? maybe the end actually to finish it off?
And when u mean wd be narrating over his work and stuff. do you mean it would just be our voices and not us actually apearing on the screen? so itd be a voice clip rather than us apearing on screen?
xx
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 13:22:12 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
I think we should narrate over images of Hirst and his work - using either stills or moving images. I'm trying to see there's anymore news footage from 1992.
Nope can't get it to work either, probably because we're outside the US. Will try to see if I can find it on YouTube.
Just found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aciQovqdPos&feature=related
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 12:58:37
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Oh also i think we do need to include something about hirst as an artist himself too, thats a good idea, because some people like me, who had heard of him and new a little about him didnt really have a clue about like how big he was etc before research, so it would be good to show the viewers about this... and yeah i think we might have to narrate sections of it as well, but instead of us actually standing there and doing it. maybe we could film ourselves talking about it agains a background and add that into the film too? what u think?
xx
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:43:17 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
Nope can't get it to work either, probably because we're outside the US. Will try to see if I can find it on YouTube.
Just found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aciQovqdPos&feature=related
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 9 January, 2011 12:58:37
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Oh also i think we do need to include something about hirst as an artist himself too, thats a good idea, because some people like me, who had heard of him and new a little about him didnt really have a clue about like how big he was etc before research, so it would be good to show the viewers about this... and yeah i think we might have to narrate sections of it as well, but instead of us actually standing there and doing it. maybe we could film ourselves talking about it agains a background and add that into the film too? what u think?
xx
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:43:17 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
Morning,
Here's a 'few' things I've been mulling over!
On the brief the areas we need to look at are:
1. Mode of Production
This seems relatively simple look at the following link and see what you think: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/arts/design/01voge.html
There's some great pics which we could possibly use in the presentation itself. I've emailed the production department of the NY Times to see if we can get high-res versions and obviously permission to use them.
Have you any thoughts about how we can do this section?
2. Design philosophy
3. Aesthetic/social value
Some interesting angles to look at here are:
a. The profile of British art, and art in general, has been given a huge boost by Damien Hirst and other BritArt figures (collectors and dealers included) since the early 1990s. Whether or not you appreciate their art is irrelevant, as public interest in art has swelled. This is beneficial to all artists, not just those of a conceptual nature. The positive cultural and financial benefits of this are obvious.
b. The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living, a 14-foot (4.3 m) tiger shark immersed in formaldehyde in a vitrine became the iconic work of British art in the 1990s, and the symbol of Britart worldwide. Its sale in 2004 made him the world's second most expensive living artist after Jasper Johns.
c. Be interesting also to explore the Young British Arts, a movement of some sorts, created on the back of Charles Saatchi's Young British Artists show, 1990. Who were the other artists? The book Shark Infested Waters: The Saatchi Collection of British Art in the 90s by Sarah Kent would be a key resource for us here. In the book she says: "It is appropriate that Hirst should introduce this anthology, since he was responsible for making visible many of the artists included in these pages and, in many people's minds, has come to epitomize the wild boy whose shock tactics and cool media manner give art a high profile and a bad name. His presence emphatically colours the water."
We need to show no bias here so we need to find some anti Hirst bits here and I've found a great quote by Thatcher's hatchet man Norman Tebbit - we could explore the political angle here too. I also think this would be where we mention Hirst's involvement in the BritPop movement, for instance in 1995 he directed Blur's video for Countryhouse, here he met Keith Allen and together they came up with 'Fat Les'. Over the past 20 years Hirst has taken a very active role in helping bands, I know he had a great involvement with The Hours and has helped set up Strummerville after his friend Joe Strummer (Clash front man) died. Do you think Jay should look into this?
I think it'd be important for us to carefully explore the cultural shifts that came about from this piece. The following Tate Report has a wonderful take on Hirst and the sensibilities of the sublime – http://www.tate.org.uk/research/tateresearch/tatepapers/10autumn/white02.shtm
Another valid area to look into and discuss is Hirst as a "media whore" and also explore the Midas touch bestowed upon him by his fame. For all the risk-averse repetition in his recent art, Hirst is a daredevil when it comes to business strategy and public statement. Something that he gets hounded about all the time. Thoughts?
4. Audience/client
"We were hypnotised - amazed, up-in-arms, fascinated, threatened - by the flood of images of Hirst's encased shark, images that for several years here remained uncorroborated by any actual objects. The pickled predator remains the very symbol, and with hindsight the warning signal, for the invasion that ensued." (Excerpts from "Sensation : Young British Artists from the Saatchi Collection")
As you probably now the piece was commissioned by Charles Saatchi for about US$32,000. It was sold recently to the hedge fund billionaire Steven A. Cohen. He paid US$8 million for it, one of the highest prices at the time for a work of contemporary art.
Interestingly, there's some quotes on the NY Times website made by Cohen about the piece. I also think we should look at Saatchi's relationship with Hirst today, as it is one that is most definitely fractious.
Maybe, we could link this section with social value one as there are crossovers.
5. Technologies implemented
Other pointers
Despite the requirements listed in the brief I think we also need to explore Hirst as an artist and the following comment is one that I think is key to the voice that I would like to have running throughout the piece:
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, 8 January, 2011 23:09:43
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
ive had an idea for the film. we could like show loads of newspaper headlines one after the other (ive got it pictured in my head but dont know how to describe it) but i thought itd be a good way to show the effect on his work during the 90s? what u think? like obv this would only be little bits of the film along with clips of interviews and stuff yeah? let me know anyway before i start searching for headlines :)
xx
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:36:30 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, 8 January, 2011 16:14:09
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Im going to make like a massive mind map cozi read in the brief we need documented evidence o research etc, so if i do that then we can photocopy it and add more bits to it altogether? What u think?
xx
Here's a 'few' things I've been mulling over!
On the brief the areas we need to look at are:
1. Mode of Production
This seems relatively simple look at the following link and see what you think: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/arts/design/01voge.html
There's some great pics which we could possibly use in the presentation itself. I've emailed the production department of the NY Times to see if we can get high-res versions and obviously permission to use them.
Have you any thoughts about how we can do this section?
2. Design philosophy
When it comes to the design philosophy of The Physical Impossibility... we need to explore what the central, though not exclusive theme of Hirst's work has been, which is an exploration of mortality, a traditional subject that Hirst has updated and extended with wit, verve, originality and force. The artwork itself has a visual power that is virtually unmatched by any possible description of it. One cannot really hope to understand it, or even visualise it without experiencing it firsthand. This, many people believe, is the reason Hirst was short listed for the Turner Prize in 1992.
Might also be interesting to look at Hirst's past as well here in order to garner some form of understanding behind the construction of the piece. The book 'On the Way to Work' by Damien Hirst and Gordon Burn gives an intrigue insight into the artist. "Since he was a teenager mucking about in a morgue, Damien Hirst has had a fascination with death. In 12 no-holds-barred interviews over eight years with Gordon Burn, he talks about his art works - many involving dead creatures - his two-year drugs binge and his ambiguous liaison with the collector Charles Saatchi"
Have tried to find out if there's a copy available through the library network but it just keeps crashing. There's a few pages of it on Googlebooks and the Guardian have a few bits on its website http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/oct/06/extract
3. Aesthetic/social value
Some interesting angles to look at here are:
a. The profile of British art, and art in general, has been given a huge boost by Damien Hirst and other BritArt figures (collectors and dealers included) since the early 1990s. Whether or not you appreciate their art is irrelevant, as public interest in art has swelled. This is beneficial to all artists, not just those of a conceptual nature. The positive cultural and financial benefits of this are obvious.
b. The Physical Impossibility of Death in the Mind of Someone Living, a 14-foot (4.3 m) tiger shark immersed in formaldehyde in a vitrine became the iconic work of British art in the 1990s, and the symbol of Britart worldwide. Its sale in 2004 made him the world's second most expensive living artist after Jasper Johns.
c. Be interesting also to explore the Young British Arts, a movement of some sorts, created on the back of Charles Saatchi's Young British Artists show, 1990. Who were the other artists? The book Shark Infested Waters: The Saatchi Collection of British Art in the 90s by Sarah Kent would be a key resource for us here. In the book she says: "It is appropriate that Hirst should introduce this anthology, since he was responsible for making visible many of the artists included in these pages and, in many people's minds, has come to epitomize the wild boy whose shock tactics and cool media manner give art a high profile and a bad name. His presence emphatically colours the water."
We need to show no bias here so we need to find some anti Hirst bits here and I've found a great quote by Thatcher's hatchet man Norman Tebbit - we could explore the political angle here too. I also think this would be where we mention Hirst's involvement in the BritPop movement, for instance in 1995 he directed Blur's video for Countryhouse, here he met Keith Allen and together they came up with 'Fat Les'. Over the past 20 years Hirst has taken a very active role in helping bands, I know he had a great involvement with The Hours and has helped set up Strummerville after his friend Joe Strummer (Clash front man) died. Do you think Jay should look into this?
I think it'd be important for us to carefully explore the cultural shifts that came about from this piece. The following Tate Report has a wonderful take on Hirst and the sensibilities of the sublime – http://www.tate.org.uk/research/tateresearch/tatepapers/10autumn/white02.shtm
Another valid area to look into and discuss is Hirst as a "media whore" and also explore the Midas touch bestowed upon him by his fame. For all the risk-averse repetition in his recent art, Hirst is a daredevil when it comes to business strategy and public statement. Something that he gets hounded about all the time. Thoughts?
“I wanted to be stopped and no one stopped me. I wanted to find out where the boundaries were. So I’ve found that there aren’t any.” Damien Hirst 1998
4. Audience/client
"We were hypnotised - amazed, up-in-arms, fascinated, threatened - by the flood of images of Hirst's encased shark, images that for several years here remained uncorroborated by any actual objects. The pickled predator remains the very symbol, and with hindsight the warning signal, for the invasion that ensued." (Excerpts from "Sensation : Young British Artists from the Saatchi Collection")
As you probably now the piece was commissioned by Charles Saatchi for about US$32,000. It was sold recently to the hedge fund billionaire Steven A. Cohen. He paid US$8 million for it, one of the highest prices at the time for a work of contemporary art.
Interestingly, there's some quotes on the NY Times website made by Cohen about the piece. I also think we should look at Saatchi's relationship with Hirst today, as it is one that is most definitely fractious.
Maybe, we could link this section with social value one as there are crossovers.
5. Technologies implemented
I think this crosses over with Mode of Production, will have to check with Peter, well, unless you've any ideas?
Other pointers
Despite the requirements listed in the brief I think we also need to explore Hirst as an artist and the following comment is one that I think is key to the voice that I would like to have running throughout the piece:
"Love him. Hate him. Deem him overrated, a media-whore or the greatest artist of our time. Whatever you think about Damien Hirst, the chances are you have an opinion. Because there are few living artists who can excite a reaction from the public quite like the 45-year-old British star, even those who have no interest in “art” find they have something to say about Hirst."
I was wondering about having some quotes up by various commentators, one's for and against him, say like that piece I found in the NME from Morrissey.
I'm also wondering about how whether or not we should have a narrator and actually script areas of the presentation, like a true documentary should have or do we try and find a more interesting way of doing it? What do you think?
I can't think of anything else right now, so take a look over what I've put and get back to me. Once we've both decided between us what we want to discuss about Hirst and where we want to go with it, we can put together a proposal to the other two for Tuesday. Once we've this then we can work on some content deadlines and divvy out who's doing what.
Sorry for being so long winded.
Bx
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, 8 January, 2011 23:09:43
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
ive had an idea for the film. we could like show loads of newspaper headlines one after the other (ive got it pictured in my head but dont know how to describe it) but i thought itd be a good way to show the effect on his work during the 90s? what u think? like obv this would only be little bits of the film along with clips of interviews and stuff yeah? let me know anyway before i start searching for headlines :)
xx
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:36:30 +0000
From: bree.freeman@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: The Brief from Vicky :)
To: gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk
Hiya!
The mind map sounds like a good idea. I'm going to go over the brief tonight and we can go through it tomorrow at some point. Have spoken with Peter about how we can possibly edit the piece and he thinks the package I have here at home will be fine to use, so that'd make life easier for us. Yesterday I gave Jay a list of things to do.
We've two new briefs starting next week and with this in mind I really want to get ahead with this one. I think the editing process is going to be the most time consuming but once we've a plan put together between us we should be able to quickly get on with it. Have also spoken with Adam and I think, like us, he wants to get a move on with it.
Speak tomorrow.
BX
The mind map sounds like a good idea. I'm going to go over the brief tonight and we can go through it tomorrow at some point. Have spoken with Peter about how we can possibly edit the piece and he thinks the package I have here at home will be fine to use, so that'd make life easier for us. Yesterday I gave Jay a list of things to do.
We've two new briefs starting next week and with this in mind I really want to get ahead with this one. I think the editing process is going to be the most time consuming but once we've a plan put together between us we should be able to quickly get on with it. Have also spoken with Adam and I think, like us, he wants to get a move on with it.
Speak tomorrow.
BX
From: Vicky Pritchard <gothic_fairy18@hotmail.co.uk>
To: Bree Freeman <bree.freeman@btinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, 8 January, 2011 16:14:09
Subject: RE: The Brief from Vicky :)
Im going to make like a massive mind map cozi read in the brief we need documented evidence o research etc, so if i do that then we can photocopy it and add more bits to it altogether? What u think?
xx
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